<font size="4"><font face="comic sans ms,sans-serif">as i am probably older<br>than many of you<br>MM class of 1972<br>i am thrilled to hear<br>of the outer directions members<br>of the f minor group<br>are going<br>i dont quite know what<br>
melynda means but<br>i suggest that it was<br>our digression into<br>the newest "alternative" music<br>& whether or not GG would<br>have liked it<br>i found it stimulating<br>exciting & highly motivating<br>
to learn more about it<br>so thank you whomever<br>posted the the non-electronic<br>varesian orchestral<br>non-instrumental music<br>we as musicians cannot stand still<br>remember<br>glenn gould was as much hated<br>as loved<br>
by his interpretations of bach<br>lynne ittleman<br></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 June 2010 12:52, Melynda Szabototh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melyndaszabototh@gmail.com">melyndaszabototh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Could you please remove me from the list? I had unsubscribed some time ago, I guess before the change in management</div>
<div>Thank you</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:velfred@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">velfred@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you very much for the explnation.</div>
<div>Fred<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 6/28/10, michael macelletti <i><<a href="mailto:mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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Subject: Re: [f_minor] book<br>To: "Robert Merkin" <<a href="mailto:bobmerk@earthlink.net" target="_blank">bobmerk@earthlink.net</a>>, "Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould." <<a href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org" target="_blank">f_minor@glenngould.org</a>>, "gail paynter" <<a href="mailto:gmadoodat@hotmail.com" target="_blank">gmadoodat@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>sorry about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! ) and i'm happy to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book. no difference to him either. but , if i might be excused for a little personal interpretation, there may be a great difference. the term tactile seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel " of , say, a fabric or smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn ivories ! ). haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that ) because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between touch and mind to my way of thinking. it even sounds psychological ! i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of memory for a concert. it's always a temptation to rely upon it because most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury exam or recital, they start to " think " about the connections, and lo and behold, all is lost. their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion. and they slink away in disgrace. </div>
<div>i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert. ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it ) it might also explain why he used the loud vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally so that he could get through the ascending sixths passage in the last movement ( var 5 ) of op 109. ( when suddenly, one day, he couldn't play it ! )</div>
<div>well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors. stay cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator. </div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Robert Merkin <<a href="mailto:bobmerk@earthlink.net" target="_blank">bobmerk@earthlink.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould. <<a href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org" target="_blank">f_minor@glenngould.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, June 27, 2010 11:39:10 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [f_minor] book<br></font><br>
<div><font size="4" face="Courier New"><b>Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from "tactile"?</b></font></div>
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<div><font size="4" face="Courier New"><b>Bob</b></font></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="f_minor@glenngould.org" href="http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=f_minor@glenngould.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">f_minor@glenngould.org</a> ; <a title="gmadoodat@hotmail.com" href="http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gmadoodat@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gail paynter</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM</div>
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<div>a " must have " book for all gouldians : " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO , by helen mesaros. and , believe me, i've got them all. this volume is a veritable treasury of minutiae. i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the beethoven 5. enjoy! </div>
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