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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Erich Schmidt,<BR>I'm afraid you expose your closed mind
with your reply. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I meant that Jobs was just a marketing genius in the same way
that Harley-Davidson (i.e.) is: they sell dreams, status symbols, life styles,
not specifically items.<BR>I hope I clarified the concept now.<BR>Best
iRegards,<BR>Stefy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ericharleschmidt@mac.com href="mailto:ericharleschmidt@mac.com">Erich
Schmidt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=f_minor@glenngould.org
href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org">Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn
Gould.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 07, 2011 11:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [f_minor] Jobs' death</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm sorry, but you expose your ignorance by calling his field marketing.
You can not have exposed yourself to much knowledge about Jobs' life<SPAN
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<DIV><BR>Sent from Max's Daddy's iPhone. And stuff.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:05 AM, <A
href="mailto:stefyz71@gmail.com">stefyz71@gmail.com</A> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I completely agree with Pat, this sick world, as usual, celebrates
exploiters as gods:</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html"><A
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html</A></A></DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389218/iPad2-factory-explosion-Fire-building-China-kills-workers.html"><A
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389218/iPad2-factory-explosion-Fire-building-China-kills-workers.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389218/iPad2-factory-explosion-Fire-building-China-kills-workers.html</A></A></DIV>
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<DIV>And oh yes he was certainly a genius in his field (marketing) but he
isn't certainly sitting beside Leonardo right now, sorry.</DIV>
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<DIV>OT off from me too,<BR>Stefy</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pzumst@bluewin.ch href="mailto:pzumst@bluewin.ch">p z</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=f_minor@glenngould.org
href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org">Discussion of the Canadian pianist
Glenn Gould.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 06, 2011
11:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [f_minor] Jobs'
death</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'"
size=4>Well, I was not trolling and I have not failed. Maybe I was
inappropriate but because the Haigiography is already at work in the media
I may as well be heretical in the case of the late Mr Jobs.<BR></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>Please
keep in mind that GG's popularity is not just based on the music but also
his Haigiography (the chair, humming, eccentricities etc). Hereafter
stands well as Exibit A here I reckon. Or, as a general example Walter
Miller's satire Canticle for Leibowitz in which Haigiography goes horribly
wrong for a while, with devastating consequences</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>The Cult
of Personality has reached heights these days that scare me. Today I saw
pictures of people paying tribute with flowers and candles to Mr Jobs.
Wich is all nice and fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'"
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>But the
cult that was made around Apple and Jobs was sometimes so overwhelming it
hurts and was almost the equivalent of religious extasis while their
products were overrated and overpriced. Not to mention that they stopped
making cool stuff but only products for the mass market.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>Again,
nothing against the fact that people pay their respect, but there is
something here that is nagging me. Probably the Haigiography. Does it
bother me that "we" believe in brands now (and to a certain extent even GG
is a brand) instead of ideas or philosophical concepts ? Yes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>GG was
fully aware that his manierisms would give him more press and help to sell
records, he perfected this art to final
self-deconstruction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>Jobs, an
entrepreneur, was also arare of the power of Haigiography and milked that
cow to a point where it even might have scared him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'"
size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>At least
in the case of GG there is substance behind the Haigiography. And of
course Mr Jobs' demise is sad. But the Apple hype is just that, a
hype.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'" size=4>OT off
from me</FONT></DIV>
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size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Lucida Grande'"
size=4>Pat</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Am 06.10.2011 um 20:04 schrieb Erich Schmidt:</DIV><BR
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fail, Pat. Nice troll, though.
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<DIV>On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:57 PM, p z wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Hi all, also OT</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Now suppose I were to sell you a "computer" with a hard
disk of 64 GB (no SSD), a 10 inch screen with ridiculously low
resolution and 2 old VGA cameras, 1 GHz Intel DualCore chip (haha), no
USB, no Firewire, but a hilariously closed pseudo operating system
that needs its own store. If you buy summet from that store 30 % of
what you pay goes to me. this device cannot do basic functions such as
copy/paste or play certain video or audio formats. compared to this
environment North Korea looks like Las Vegas. But hey, the design and
the form factor are absolutely amazing and genius so I am going to
create a huge buzz behind a veil of secrecy call it the reinvention of
the computer and charge you "just" 800 Euros for that, plus data plan
from carrier on which I might have a percentage), make sure it becomes
a cult object sold to millions who don't really need this thing and
enter the history books and the annals of IT Hagiography, Myth and
Legend
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<DIV>Somehow I cannot help but to admire such chuzpe.</DIV>
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<DIV>Pat</DIV>
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<DIV>Am 06.10.2011 um 15:58 schrieb maryellen jensen:</DIV><BR
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face="Times New Roman" size=4>One cannot say this is OT - Jobs dying
is THE TOPIC<I>everywhere</I><SPAN
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face="Times New Roman" size=4><BR></FONT><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt" face="Times New Roman" size=4>I just want to
pass along a link to one of the longest published interviews Jobs
ever did,</FONT><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt" face="Times New Roman"
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face="Times New Roman" size=4><BR></FONT><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt" face="Times New Roman" size=4>The Playboy
Interview 1985:</FONT><BR><BR><A
href="http://www.txtpost.com/playboy-interview-steven-jobs/"><A
href="http://www.txtpost.com/playboy-interview-steven-jobs/">http://www.txtpost.com/playboy-interview-steven-jobs/</A></A><BR><BR><BR><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt" face="Times New Roman"
size=4>Mary</FONT><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt"
face="Times New Roman" size=4><BR></FONT><BR> <SPAN
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