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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=632374312-05102012><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>that is a new story to me; it sounds apocryphal and almost
impossible to believe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=632374312-05102012><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Fred</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> f_minor
[mailto:f_minor-bounces@glenngould.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Brett
Allen-Bayes<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 04, 2012 6:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould.'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[f_minor] Beethoven for Fred<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wasn’t it Brendel who,
having some time to kill, decided to phone Gould from the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Toronto</st1:place></st1:City> airport? When he
sneezed over the phone, Gould was supposed to have hung up. Talk about
hypochondria in excelsis!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Brett<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> f_minor
[mailto:f_minor-bounces@glenngould.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Houpt, Fred<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:04
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sales@induscandia.se;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn
Gould.</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [f_minor] Beethoven for
Fred</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That's a bit of a
stretch. Worst pianist ever? Don't think many in this group will
stand with you on your opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fred</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> f_minor
[mailto:f_minor-bounces@glenngould.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Induscandia<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:27
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn
Gould.</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [f_minor] Beethoven for
Fred<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Brendler is just a
stupid fraud, worst pianst ever. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Well you know I
greatly admire Brendel and had the joy to hear him in concert in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Toronto</st1:place></st1:City>. However,
his comments about GG are about as far off the mark as he accuses Gould
of. However, Brendel is singing from his own well known song book and he
represents a Germanic purist school which has it's fans, it has it's strengths
and after a while it's obvious short comings. One cannot ever recall
hearing a piano piece of Beethoven, Schubert or Schuman played by Kempf as
revelatory. Never. Beautifully played but always "urtext", safe
and within proper boundaries, that Brendel refers to. Kempf's music
making was never boring but it was always predictable.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gould hated this
mentality and as an artist he resolutely waged war against that school of
thought. Brendel is correct in suggesting that some (he would say most)
of Gould's interpretations are not successful. I would never refer to
Brendel's "Goldburg Variations" (did he record it?) but I would listen to
Murray Peraiah, Ivo Pogerelich or Angela Hewitt. I cannot possibly
imagine Horowitz trying the Goldberg's nor would I encourage that entire
generation of titans (including Artur Rubinstein). Perish the
thought. Though, Brendel's unkind words about Horowitz do not take into
consideration the dazzling Scarlatti - especially the younger Horowitz.
Brendel does not like Rach, ok. I happen to adore Rach's music and yes,
it is often heart on the sleeve but for me it all radiates great musicality
and emotion. Especially delightful are some unusual harmonic cadences
that come out of nowhere.....I love his music...what can I
say?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fred</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> f_minor
[mailto:f_minor-bounces@glenngould.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>maryellen jensen<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:26
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
f_minor@glenngould.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [f_minor] Beethoven for
Fred<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Fred,<BR><BR> A bit of der
Brendel on your chosen topic:<BR><BR><EM><B><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
id=ecxreviewTextContainer281750337><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">"</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><SPAN
class=ecxreadable><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">A</SPAN></I></SPAN><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> well-known American author...once asked various
pianists what they thought of Horowitz. I was unable to contribute to his book
because, as I told him, I was more interested in musical realities than
musical myths.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I was not as enthusiastic about Horowitz the
artist as many of my colleagues. And I was not so captivated by him as a
pianist either, since I found that his kind of virtuosity rarely served the
music as I understood it.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT
face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">...you can either illuminate
works with a spotlight from without, or develop them from within....the
spotlights from without are embodied for me particularly clearly in Glenn
Gould. In my view, he was not interested in deciphering a work from within,
but wished instead, as unexpectedly as possible, to illuminate it from
without. He went so far as to actually hamper an understanding of a composer,
and maltreat him, in order to be original at all costs. It was clearly
compulsive.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Gould to me was a classic example of what a
performer should not be; as an eccentric, he seemed determined to oppose the
wishes of the composer or go against the character of the
piece.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I've always asked myself: why does this man, who
is so gifted, treat composers in such a disgraceful way? It seems to me that
quite a few people love this kind of sadism...There is nothing wrong in
playing pieces in a variety of ways - but please do so within the limits,
within the character and structure of the piece itself. Gould deliberately
oversteps these limits, or he is simply not aware of
them.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">...it seems to me that he has no interest in all
in the character of the piece. He is not aware that it exists...He does not
consider that there might be a character which is indissolubly connected with
the piece, which one must find and bring to
life.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I have to accept that Gould's playing can on
occasions be revelatory. But I do not think this is due to psychological
understanding, but rather to chance - the desire to do what is
unexpected.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I am not a Rachmaninov fan. The piano repertoire
is vast, and Rachmaninov to me seems a waste of
time.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR><BR><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">...among [Rachmaninov's] works for piano, above
all the piano concertos, there is nothing that I find captivating, enough to
recommend to a young pianist. Nor has the third piano concerto ever convinced
me."</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><BR></SPAN></I><BR><SPAN class=ecxreadable>The book
is in Q & A format (the questioner is Martin Meyer, literary editor of the
</SPAN><EM><I><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Neue Zurcher
Zeitung</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><SPAN class=ecxreadable>) and the sections are
Life, About Music, On Performance, On Writing (Brendel has published essays
and poetry), and an Epilogue.</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=ecxreadable> The
book in question is: </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<H1><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Me of All People: Alfred Brendel
in Conversation with Martin Meyer </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></H1>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxbyecxsmalltext><FONT face=Tahoma
size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">by</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Tahoma size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/390865.Alfred_Brendel"
target=_blank>Alfred Brendel</A>, <A
href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/327188.Martin_Meyer"
target=_blank>Martin Meyer</A>, <A
href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/447942.Richard_Stokes"
target=_blank>Richard Stokes</A> <SPAN
class=ecxauthornameecxgreytextecxsmalltextecxrole>(Translator)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR><BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiX3Rof5E00"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiX3Rof5E00</A><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
class=ecxauthornameecxgreytextecxsmalltextecxrole><FONT face=Tahoma
size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Mary</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Tahoma size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><BR><SPAN
class=ecxauthornameecxgreytextecxsmalltextecxrole>PS There's an
interesting 2 dvd documentary "<U>Alfred Brendel: In Portrai</U>t" - visit
your local University Library for further details...
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:52:51
-0700<BR>From: boyboy_8@yahoo.com<BR>To: f_minor@glenngould.org<BR>Subject:
[f_minor] Beethoven<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbhBnpMx8-M<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On the recent CBC radio Sunday program
that Michael Enright did with Robert Harris, Harris mentioned a CBC recording
(many years ago) of GG playing Beethoven's Tempest piano sonata (#17). I
do believe that the one I've posted here is part 1 of this sonata.
As Harris explained, GG often ignored the composer tempo and dynamic markings
were in search of what "the music" was asking for. This was a curious
but I think accurate insight into GG's mind. When I hear GG doing this
Tempest, there are several things to look for. Notice that he is
conducting all the time, breathing with the music as if it was a
symphony. In his lectures, famous Beethoven specialist Andras
Schiff often explains that Beethoven was first and foremost a symphonist and
his sonatas reflect symphonic architecture reduced to two hands. This is
also correct and in GG's performance he is approaching the sonata as if it was
a symphony. Notice as well how he handles the motifs that sound like a
soloist singing a single musical line. Gould takes extra time to allow
the notes of the motif to rise up in melancholy, expressing such depth of
Beethoven emotion. The entire movement, for me, is extraordinary and I
cannot remember hearing it done with more pathos and introspection.
Incredible.....and totally unique interpretation. But again, Gould has
sought to make the music sound fresh and all the while respecting the meaning
that the music has within itself. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Fred
Houpt<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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