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<DIV>Michael, I have found the essay online and of course to a degree he is
right. And wrong. I dunno...</DIV>
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<DIV>Especially in the german-speaking world (being Swiss I am a part of that
small spot) the subject of Wagner is, er, laden with history. People outside of
that world may have a more relaxed attitude towards Wagner, but at least Germans
are very sensitive about artists like Wagner, Furtwängler, von Karajan, Strauss
etc. and their backlog.</DIV>
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<DIV>The whole subject gets even a bit weirder when one considers that the
musical works of Wagner were deeply admired by Mahler or Klemperer and there are
(jewish) intellectuals like Stephen Fry (former judge for the GG Prize) and
Daniel Barenboim actually defending Wagner’s music – but not the person of
curse. </DIV>
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<DIV>And apparently there is even a Wagner Appreciation Society in Israel, who
would have thought ? Maestro Barenboim recently caused a very nasty and lout
storm when he tried to perform some Overtures in Jerusalem, where Wagner still
is persona non grata. Classical Music and Politics ? I dunno....</DIV>
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<DIV>Here is part of a conversation between Baranboim and the late Edward Said,
also an intellectual heavyweight in his own right in case y’all are still
interested in the matter:</DIV>
<DIV><A title=http://www.danielbarenboim.com/journal/wagner-and-ideology.html
href="http://www.danielbarenboim.com/journal/wagner-and-ideology.html">http://www.danielbarenboim.com/journal/wagner-and-ideology.html</A></DIV>
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<DIV>It is my understanding that Mr. Gould had a strong interest in Wagner (see
the transcript record) at the beginning of the 80s, who knows what he would have
come up with later on, maybe even as conductor ? Alas, we will never know. Dead
at 50, too many pills.</DIV>
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<DIV>Pat</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net">michael macelletti</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 26, 2013 12:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=f_minor@glenngould.org
href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org">Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn
Gould.</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>a very good question, for which, as with seeming all others, i have
absolutely no answer. however, please read : the monster by
deems taylor . the essay has been around for a long time. but
as far as providing an answer to the question you posed, i think we both might
need some help. </DIV>
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<pzumst@bluewin.ch><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> f
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<DIV>Hi all</DIV>
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<DIV>Good thinking there, presenting GG-related music in the dry season.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have a moral question. Richard Wagner was an arrogant, antisemitic,
cheating, wife-beating, pompous, self-grandizing, money-wasting and mostly
overrated little git and in short a very nasty piece of work. His music is
pompous, bombastic to the extreme, far too loud at times, far too long for sure
and the words...this might be fun if you are an english speaker, but I
understand the native tongue...</DIV>
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<DIV>Yet...Wagner is one of the most influential (and controversial !) composers
of the last 150 years. Without him there would be no Mahler, maybe no Strawinsky
and definetly no Heavy Metal. And, I am ashamed to say, some of his Overtures
actually rock...</DIV>
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<DIV>What should one do in such a situation ? Continue to love to hate that
composer or try to get into the whole Ring Thing anyway ?</DIV>
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<DIV>I assume that GG was fond of Wagner for purely musicological and artistic
reasons, but is that enough to justify a Wagner transcription ?</DIV>
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<DIV>Speaking of, here is some fun with Wagner</DIV>
<DIV><A title=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv7G92F2sqs
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv7G92F2sqs" rel=nofollow
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<DIV>Pat</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net
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ymailto="mailto:mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net">michael macelletti</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:20 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=f_minor@glenngould.org
href="mailto:f_minor@glenngould.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
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<DIV>things have been a bit quiet lately, so i thought i'd make a listening
recommendation, albeit somewhat off-track. the new remastered solti
wagner ring , in the super deluxe edition, is really fabulous. ( "
greatest recording of all time ", bbc music magazine 2012 .
) truly a win-win. although a little pricey
, it'll probably soon be out of print anyway. and maybe this
isn't so off-subject. gould's wagner interpretations are not too far
removed in spirit from the great bayreuth festspielhause conductors such as
knappertsbusch and furtwangler from the '50's. he must have been
familiar with their
recordings.
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<DIV>( and horowitz probably wouldn't have liked their wagner either, i
bet. )</DIV>
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